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xacolyte

I hold no hope for the perpetrators. Only potential victims have the possibility of profiting from someone else's experiences.

carolyn krueger

i am so very glad that there is room for forgiveness in gangaji's words...for we all have feet of clay , remember she also knew of GOD and his words.

warren

satsang means-meeting in truth .the truth is not eli"s abuse nor gangaji"s part in the coverup .the truth is the buddha field out of which all experiences , including these arise and disappear! for your own sakes let it go,its time to move on.attachment to teachers/gurus usually ends in tears ,most, with notable exceptions such as RAMANA ,have feet of clay,and are still not in control of desire,they live in denial,believing their own rhetoric.at some point ,the repressed desires surface and theres carnage!i will be forever grateful to gangaji for showing me the way many years ago,i sat with her for 2 satsangs in byron bay australia .there was this timeless beauty ,an exquisite sweetness .i didnt return the next day because i had observed the energy of the devotees.and it wasnt for me.i wanted to experience this truth from within ,not at the whim of some outside source.if you sit at the feet of a guru ,its very likely you will get a kick in the head!!a couple of years ago gangaji returned to australia,and i didnt go to see her ,which puzzled me .when i read that it was a joint teaching with eli,it turned me right off.i felt something had changed,and my intuition said dont go!the point is i think the energetic of gangaji and her foundation has been changing for the worse a long time prior to the abuse ,and that this terrible act ,rather than being the catalyst for the events that followed was just symptomatic of the subtle resurfacing of ego withih the foundations and the teachers!everyone was too blinded by their absolute devotion to gangaji to see it!as i said its time for the caravan to move on!just a thought

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rose of sharon

This affair/sexual abuse of power should not be swept under the rug. Yes people make mistakes and can be forgiven.. but this seems to be a charade..Gangjaji supposedly has forgiven this man. My question is this .... does he admit his sin? Has he gone for help with his obsession of sexual deviation? Why did they continue their practices as if nothing had happened? These people are not to be trusted.. Money seems to be their motivation to teach.. Jesus is the answer, Jesus is the way.. Jesus is TRUTH.

Bernd Kühn

Aren't we trying to understand all this from a Christian point of view. "This is bad", "this is a sinner" a.s.o.

Shouldn't we better have a look at ourselves? Who was betrayed? We? No!!! But why are we ready to condemn this man?

Jurek From Poland


None of human being is completly pure.Also Teachers ,gurus are not pure.Only God is perfect an pure !! If spiritual teacher,Guru is abuseing students then he/she serves personality-ego and stops movment of spiritual comunity toward God ,True Nature. This kind of person shouldn't be spiritual teacher. As simple as that.
P.S I don't know truth about Eli -if he abused or not .What I wrote earlier concern all spiritual teachers.

Jurek

Bernd Kühn

Do you know Jesus? I only know what was told and written about him. I don't know what is true. If a living teacher can help me to find out what is true and I can understand him or her I'll be very greatful!

Bernard

maria

I don't know anything about Gangaji or Eli.
But when I heard Eli on you tube, the energy came in and something happened. there was an opening for a short time.
Well, that was was a very important monent to me and I am grateful for that.

Hawk Maisel

The facts are the enemy of the Truth. As lights become brighter...shadows become darker. Many "organizations" are breaking down at this time of rapid change.

When people choose to give their power away to anyone or anything they are planting seeds of resentment. Just as in marriages when two people seek to "complete" themselves through another person, the end result is frequently resentement and the need to make the other person wrong...and then punish them...thus the need for attorneys.

I bless Gangaji. Because of the work that she has done on herself throughout the years she is an incredibly bright mirror for individuals to see their own reflection. Many people do not want to see that. I received an incredible blessing of peace from Gangaji just by setting with her in the hot waters at the Esalen Institute. The blessings of that transference still endure today...and the peace from that day when I could hear the sound of a butterflies wings is eternally etched upon me.

It seems that many times when the opportunity for great teachers to leave human form is near...their systems begin to unravel and break down. For those who love Gangaji, perhaps now is the opportunity to spend as much time as possible with her on her retreats. And follow your heart...the energy that flows between the guru and the disciple is "adoration". Set a personal intention to learn how Gangaji adores you...so that you can share that energy with those who follow you. The only difference between the guru and the disiciple is time...and time is an illusion. Your students await your calling.

I am open to discussion about this at eagleheart222@yahoo.com

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I have known both Eli & Gangaji. Who is without fault? Who is not human. Jesus said, "Not as the world do I give unto you." It's the message that counts, not the person (s) who proclaim it. Agape, the Greek word for love. But, it is an unconditional love. It is not attainable by human beings; because it is a devine love, only attainable by one who has all power and knowledge, and it certainly isn't me, or Eli and Gangaji. So look to your heart and find forgiveness and tolerance for these "humans" who can't be perfect. There message is clear, so let them go on serving the potential for all being to awaken to itself. It may just be part of their being's awakening which has donated itself for expedient understanding. Love & peace, always.

plant

"Spiritual" abuse, abuse by a "spiritual" leader to whom one has given much trust, and with whom there is a huge imbalance of power, is violence. This man abused one of his flock, who had paid him a large sum of money to be his student, and took sexual advantage of their relative power positions. This is illegal. It must not be swept under the rug as merely a teaching moment, and with a desire to be "spiritual" and forgiving. How many students, especially female, are sexually abused by their (usually) male "teachers"?

He needs to be held legally and morally accountable, by the entire community, and especially for the sake of showing unequivocal support for his victim. Almost no one on this board says a word about the effects on her, what this has done to her, the psychological damage he did. She needs to know that everyone of his flock will not tolerate her or anyone else being abused by this man, or allow it, both legally and morally, now, or ever again.

Letting him off the hook by simply "forgiving" him and saying "Who should cast the first stone?" is unfair and an unconscionable way to treat her, who he abused. It's just a slap on the wrist, and sweeping it under the rug. It will stop nothing, and only deepen her pain, and make it more difficult for her to heal and move forward the best she can. He needs to be held accountable by everyone, seriously accountable for the seriousness of this crime. He should never be allowed to be in a teaching position again. Let him find some other line of work, if and when he gets out of prison or pays restitution, where he won't have anywhere near this chance to emotionally, psychologically, physically, and "spiritually" abuse another person.

plant

It really makes me angry when people are more concerned about fairness to the abuser than the abused. It should make us all angry. When I say that he needs to be held accountable by the entire community, I do not just mean his so-called "spiritual" community, but by the entire society at large, via the legal system. This is sexual harassment and sexual abuse. She's a paying student. Teachers who do this at universities can be fired, sued, and possibly imprisoned.

These cult leaders like to think they are accountable to no one, and lead their flocks to believe that they are above governmental law, when in fact, they are the ones who make up all the rules for their "spiritual" communities, meaning they are accountable to no one else. This leaves them free to abuse again and again, often moving from place to place to do so, when their flock fall all over themselves to forgive, so that the flock can live in a state of glassy-eyed denial and fantasy about their "leader(s)" and the psychological abuse they have committed, so the flock can carry on, the corrupt and ignorant "teacher" can continue in a position of power and great personal influence, in the same or new location, and therefore more people/women can be abused.

After he's been imprisoned and/or sued, and court-ordered to attend violence-against-women therapy groups, let him go make his living as a mechanic at a bike shop, or installing HVAC equipment, where he has far less chance of sexually and spiritually abusing: not continuing either in a paid or volunteer position ever again as a "teacher" or "spiritual leader."

Brinna Nanda

There is no Gangaji. There is no Eli. There is no you, for heaven's sake. Why get your panties in a wad? (There are no panties, for that matter…or wads.)

Marg McCormack

The heart can bear it all ...Gangaji is love in human form and showed us how to do this during her trials with Eli
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